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Neale
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby Neale » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:45 am

ScottL wrote: In fact it has the highest average slope for a sustained 150ft of climbing I've found anywhere in the area.


Have you ridden Ogg Road from Mill Creek south to SMP?
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby jlbay » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:50 am

Neale wrote:
ScottL wrote: In fact it has the highest average slope for a sustained 150ft of climbing I've found anywhere in the area.


Have you ridden Ogg Road from Mill Creek south to SMP?

Where does Cambridge come in? is it not 150'?

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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby ScottL » Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:48 am

jlbay wrote:
Neale wrote:
ScottL wrote: In fact it has the highest average slope for a sustained 150ft of climbing I've found anywhere in the area.


Have you ridden Ogg Road from Mill Creek south to SMP?

Where does Cambridge come in? is it not 150'?


Well Cambridge it is steeper for a 75 foot section of the climb or so...they are both over 150 total, I was just looking at a 150ft climb segment that had the highest average slope, I'd love to come up with some algorithm for searching that. S.Mill St also is up there, but less total climb...it is mostly splitting hairs but as a net climb I do think S.Valley is toughest.

Neale, I've not checked Ogg...I know it is up there too having driven it..I'll have to check that.


Back on topic, I know I'd feel worse if someone died as a result of my actions, but I would still feel terrible if a cyclist ran into my car and died, even they were completely at fault



EDIT: I just went back and checked.. I must have misread(or google earth readings were off, not unlikely)....Cambridge and S.Valley are both ~175 total and Cambridge is actually worse....~15% overall vs. just under 14%... the data for Ogg has a jump in it that looks wrong, so hard to gauge, it is over 200ft total climb, I think avg slope is less, though I know that one section is super steep.

I put Ogg segment in my map in Google that has my "Hillbilly" route....one that includes S.Valley, S.Mill, Cambridge, Wyoming and a few other gems:
https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=20 ... 15f6&msa=0

A few different routes I worked out, the latter one is actually two different segments due to the waypoint limits in Google maps...you get the idea...My goal was a 20 mi route with megaclimbing but little repetition, I think my latest route got it up to ~135ft/mi climbing more if you cut out the few miles getting to the steep hills to/from my house

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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby Cairns » Wed Jul 10, 2013 4:16 pm

Neale wrote:
ScottL wrote: In fact it has the highest average slope for a sustained 150ft of climbing I've found anywhere in the area.


Have you ridden Ogg Road from Mill Creek south to SMP?


Ogg gets steeper as you get to the top, which I think makes it harder. The Argentine hill is a consistent grade and it allows you to get into a rhythm. It's damn long and steep though.
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Postby ScottL » Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:07 pm

Cairns wrote:Ogg gets steeper as you get to the top, which I think makes it harder. The Argentine hill is a consistent grade and it allows you to get into a rhythm. It's damn long and steep though.

That's true, Vallley it is the most consistent of most big hills I've ridden, you don't need to change gearing if you budget the right amount of power for the climb. Cambridge gets steeper in the latter part more like Ogg.

I looked again on my Google Earth version at home and it matches my original stats I posted, even saving off the latest KML online..so chalk it up to inconsistencies with the software.... I wish the data for Ogg was better, with sharp drop-offs by the road, small anomalies in ground position mean big changes in the elevation, which seems clear looking at it in GE.

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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby muxon » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:52 am

While we're talking about hills... have you guys ridden any out east? I haven't ridden the ones you're talking about for comparison, but I know Minter road in Grain Valley is a huge steep bastard. Also Lake Ridge road by the Blue Springs Lake dam. And not quite as steep, but I think the longest climb I've found in the area has to be Kentucky road from the circle at Sterling in Sugar Creek.
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby ScottL » Thu Jul 11, 2013 11:01 am

muxon wrote:While we're talking about hills... have you guys ridden any out east? I haven't ridden the ones you're talking about for comparison, but I know Minter road in Grain Valley is a huge steep bastard. Also Lake Ridge road by the Blue Springs Lake dam. And not quite as steep, but I think the longest climb I've found in the area has to be Kentucky road from the circle at Sterling in Sugar Creek.

I haven't, my area I originally meant was stuff within 10 miles of my house or so...there is plenty along the Mo river that I know affords big long climbs, though I've not tried, I'd love to hear of more too.

I checked out that Kentucky Rd and you are right, not as steep as these but looks like a 270ft sustained climb w/avg slope 4.3%...that would be hard to beat for longest climb in the area. Most rides in the area are within 300ft elev range. I've not found one that had sustained climb that high though most sustained climbs don't go much above 200ft.

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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby jlbay » Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:23 pm

Parkville has a few, but I don't know their names offhand. Ok, looked them up.
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby shoffner » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:37 am

muxon wrote:Well that's unfortunate.

Proceed with discussion of good climbing hills in the area.


Hilarious. :twisted:

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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby Neale » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:42 am

Maybe we get a moderator to split this to a separate thread? I'm curious about everyone's "hilly" rides. One or two hills is OK, but give a 25-40 mile routes that are real punishers. :twisted:

I've got one or two in the northland that I will visit when (if) I feel like I'm gaining a bit of fitness.
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby Possum » Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:44 am

Chestnut trafficway from the east bottoms to Independence Avenue. 200'+ elevation change, +/-1 mile long. Not the steepest, but it's a good one.

Lee's Summit Road from Lakewood Blvd. to Gregory. Also good.
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby Olathejoe » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:08 am

Neale wrote:Maybe we get a moderator to split this to a separate thread?


Did what I could. Might seem a bit off if someone reads from the start though.
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby ScottL » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:20 am

Olathejoe wrote:
Neale wrote:Maybe we get a moderator to split this to a separate thread?


Did what I could. Might seem a bit off if someone reads from the start though.

Thanks Joe, I knew we needed to do that...sorry as I was mostly responsible for the thread jack. :)

Plus I wanted to keep exploring suggestions. Keep them coming, I will check some of them out online later, going out for a ride now as it is nice out and I have the day off.

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Re: Hills

Postby Neale » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:34 am

Thanks Joe!
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Re: Cyclist killed in KCK(Argentine) today

Postby dansb » Fri Jul 12, 2013 11:53 am

Neale wrote:
ScottL wrote: In fact it has the highest average slope for a sustained 150ft of climbing I've found anywhere in the area.


Have you ridden Ogg Road from Mill Creek south to SMP?


Now I know why I am tired before I get to the trails. Have to ride that sucker. Has nothing to do with being out of shape right?


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